Abortion DEBATE (read the first post before you reply)

**HxC FiALURE** · 04-11-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Rotten0Bananaz

Ha. This reminds me: Scene from House-
"Jill: My joints have been feeling all loose, and lately I've been feeling sick a lot. Maybe I'm overtraining; I'm doin' the marathon, like, ten miles a day,
[House looks tired]
Jill: but I can't seem to lose any weight.
Dr. Gregory House: Lift up your arms.
[she does so]
Dr. Gregory House: You have a parasite.
Jill: Like a tapeworm or something?
Dr. Gregory House: Lie back and lift up your sweater.
[she lies back, and still has her hands up]
Dr. Gregory House: You can put your arms down.
Jill: Can you do anything about it?
Dr. Gregory House: Only for about a month or so. After that it becomes illegal to remove, except in a couple of states.
[he starts to ultrasound her abdomen]
Jill: Illegal?
Dr. Gregory House: Don't worry. Many women learn to embrace this parasite. They name it, dress it up in tiny clothes, arrange playdates with other parasites...
Jill: Playdates?
Dr. Gregory House: [shows her the ultrasound] It has your eyes."
[It's a baby]

lol love it!
but i wanna know how he knew from her raising her arms....

i am for abortions, especially in cases like in the first post.

also i think if you know you cannot take care of a baby properly (will need financial help, are single, have mental/physical problems, will need to use babysitters 24/7 and work, etc) i think you should adopt or abort.
keeping your kid "because you wanted kids and love it" is a selfish reason. if theres a chance for it to have a better life, take it. if its life will be cow cakety, dont keep it.

**AdiLund89** · 04-12-2012, 01:40 AM

There are sooo many opinions and views on this topic, which is why it will be up for debate forever.

I'm going to be as completely honest as possible with this...

I am not pregnant anymore, but I have a two year old daughter Lilah. I was only 20 when I gave birth to her. Most physically and emotionally draining thing I have ever been through.
I was in labor with her for 2 days. I pushed for 2 hours, but cow cake turned serious and I ended up having an emergency C-section, because she was in distress and I was at risk too.

Back to the topic:

I do not feel that I was old enough to endure that physically or mentally, my body still hasn't fully recovered and that was 2 years ago. It is a woman's choice and that is that.
Also, regarding the topic of whether or not a woman should abort if they know the child will be ill and not be able to live a full and healthy life. I had a quad screening, basically what that is, they test your fetus for any abnormalities...

I'm not going to lie, I was freaked out. I told my husband (yes, I got married for the child.. bad idea) that I wasn’t sure if we should even be having a child, let alone one with a disability. You can judge me and that is fine but you don’t know the feeling until you are put in that position. Lilah didn’t end up having any abnormalities. She was a perfectly healthy baby girl after birth. Me however I was a ducking for cover wreck.

I made the choice to have my daughter despite only being 20. All women should have the same chance to make that choice. No one should tell them they should or should not be able to abort their pregnancy. If I had known my daughter would be born with any of the genetic disorders below, I may not have went through with the pregnancy. Not because of my own selfish reasons of not wanting to care for a special needs child. But because I would want my child to have a long healthy and happy life, and not have to suffer because I wanted to be a saint and be a pro-choice hypocrite.

The quad screen measures high and low levels of AFP, abnormal levels of hCG and estriol, and high levels of Inhibin-A. The results are combined with the mother's age and ethnicity in order to assess probabilities of potential genetic disorders.

High levels of AFP may suggest that the developing baby has a neural tube defect such as spina bifida or anencephaly. However, the most common reason for elevated AFP levels is inaccurate dating of the pregnancy.

Low levels of AFP and abnormal levels of hCG and estriol may indicate that the developing baby has Trisomy 21(Down syndrome), Trisomy 18 (Edwards Syndrome) or another type of chromosome abnormality.

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pre...uadscreen.html

*Sorry wasn't trying to put my whole life story- but all I can go by is my experiences.

**KittensKill** · 04-12-2012, 06:26 AM

Its nice to see some young women who, though they have chosen to go through with their pregnancies, are pro choice for the right reasons.

It has always been my opinion, that as a man, I have no say what so ever, over the contents of a womans uterus, even if those contents contain some of my DNA, they are not in my body.

**boondocksaint** · 04-12-2012, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by HxC FiALURE

keeping your kid "because you wanted kids and love it" is a selfish reason. if theres a chance for it to have a better life, take it. if its life will be cow cakety, dont keep it.

lol i love how the views of this issue went from, abortion is bad they should have the kid, to its selfish to have a kid in there's a chance at a better life, both are ignorant, it's about what the parents wants, on both sides

Originally Posted by KittensKill

It has always been my opinion, that as a man, I have no say what so ever, over the contents of a womans uterus, even if those contents contain some of my DNA, they are not in my body.

I disagree, I see as a baby as half mine, so the man should have some say in it, as much, I don't know. I don't support a father making the mother go through birth, but also I don't support a mother aborting without consulting with the father when he wants to keep it.

**King** · 04-12-2012, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by boondocksaint

I disagree, I see as a baby as half mine, so the man should have some say in it, as much, I don't know. I don't support a father making the mother go through birth, but also I don't support a mother aborting without consulting with the father when he wants to keep it.

Like I always say when this is brought up, until there is some way for a man to carry and give birth to a baby, the women will always have the final say.

**Rotten0Bananaz** · 04-13-2012, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by King

Like I always say when this is brought up, until there is some way for a man to carry and give birth to a baby, the women will always have the final say.

I concur. Oh, child birth. It's unlike anything else, but that cow cake hurts!

**Hyper Emo** · 02-27-2013, 12:54 PM

Hopefully no one cares too much about me reviving a thread that's been dead for almost a year.

Anyway recently a lot of cow cake seems to be going down in the US regarding abortion.

This article here covers how it's near impossible for women on low incomes to recieve medicaid funding for abortions. This completely goes against the principle that abortion is supposed to be accessible to all.

Here is the story about the 16 year old pregnant Texan girl who sued her parents for trying to force her to abort her pregnancy. Also among the online community, most people seem to have forgotten that pro-choicers also support those who continue their pregnancy. They are pro-choice, not pro-abortion.

Final anti-abortion thing I'm going to mention is this . There are bills circulating in a few states that would force a women to have a transvaginal ultrasound before receiving abortion care. A transvaginal ultrasound is a probe (a reasonably large one for the record) which is inserted into the vagina in order to obtain an ultrasound picture of a fetus which is too small for an abdominal ultrasound. This would take place in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, which so happens to be when 88% of abortions in the US took place. Some of these bills require the transvaginal ultrasound in order to detect a fetal heart beat. If a heart beat is found then the women will be denied an abortion, yet will still be expected to pay for the invasive and unnecessary ultrasound.

Stepping away from all the negatives momentarily, many people have been making moves to destigmatize abortion. Sometimes even people who are 100% pro-choice shrink away when they find out someone close to them has had an abortion. It isn't talked about. Not all aborted pregnancies are unwanted, therefore why should women who have abortions be able to grieve as openly as women who have miscarriages. There was been a swell in websites selling things like this , opinions?

Kittens you may now lynch me for reviving the thread.

**KittensKill** · 02-28-2013, 03:07 AM